Know Your Rights

Welcome! Please provide sources of accurate information that can be of value to teachers who are new to teaching abroad or who are having difficulties. We welcome information that shows employment rights, relevant rules and regulations in specific countries, success stories and strategies for redress with reference to specific laws or regulations that have worked (i.e. What did the teacher do to get justice? How did he get his airfare? Did he use or threaten to use a lawyer/embassy), scanned contracts that show the conditions that you do not like, etc. We encourage the use of direct quotes or website links to provide access to primary sources or links to competent organisations that could give advice.

Resources: Evaluating a Chinese Employment Contract  and  Why Raoul Duke Wants You To Avoid Recruiters by Raoul Duke.   Identify Illegitimate Chinese Recruiters,   Questions to Ask Before Accepting a Job Offer at a Chinese School  and  the China EFL Pre-Employment Checklist  by Gregory Mavrides, PhD.   US Embassy in Beijing's Teaching English in China.

Arriving at your school with a homeland medical -- Former FT in China -- 25 September 2016
If you have undertaken a medical exam in your homeland before entering China on a Z visa to teach, you have the right to refuse a second medical in China, provided that your homeland medical was ...
Re: Arriving at your school with a homeland medical -- Taffy -- 27 September 2016
If you have undertaken a medical exam in your homeland before entering China on a Z visa to teach, you have the right to refuse a second medical in China, provided that your homeland medical was ...
Re: Arriving at your school with a homeland medical -- Former FT in China -- 27 September 2016
If you have undertaken a medical exam in your homeland before entering China on a Z visa to teach, you have the right to refuse a second medical in China, provided that your homeland medical was ...
Re: Arriving at your school with a homeland medical -- Taffy -- 28 September 2016
Further to your reply to my post, I'll add that your reply does not answer my post directly. I did say 'if.........' I did not advise readers to undertake homeland medicals. Unlike you, ...
Re: Arriving at your school with a homeland medical -- Former FT in China -- 28 September 2016
You should advise newbie FT's to avoid getting bolshy as soon as they get to the company. Save getting stroppy until you really need to do so. Box clever, that's a good chap. You have chosen ...
Re: Arriving at your school with a homeland medical -- Davyhulme -- 17 October 2016
Indeed! Or to use my new found favourite saying: "When the cup is full, it's full!" and in the case of chinese and medicals and damned visas and their lies and costs, the cup is not only full, it ...
Re: Arriving at your school with a homeland medical -- Taffy -- 17 October 2016
Indeed! Or to use my new found favourite saying: "When the cup is full, it's full!" and in the case of chinese and medicals and damned visas and their lies and costs, the cup is not only full, it ...
Re: Arriving at your school with a homeland medical -- Former FT in China -- 19 October 2016
You should fast-track your Chinese visas by marrying a Chinese lady. Then you can work illegally. Yes, you can do both. The choice is yours. However, I wouldn't recommend working illegally in ...
Re: Arriving at your school with a homeland medical -- Taffy -- 20 October 2016
You should fast-track your Chinese visas by marrying a Chinese lady. Then you can work illegally. Yes, you can do both. The choice is yours. However, I wouldn't recommend working illegally in ...
Re: Arriving at your school with a homeland medical -- Former FT in China -- 20 October 2016
Having said that if one was to get a school registered under the wife's name, one could just organise(not teach) Western-run schools in China are better at persuading FT's to moonlight for ...
Re: Arriving at your school with a homeland medical -- Taffy -- 20 October 2016
Having said that if one was to get a school registered under the wife's name, one could just organise(not teach) Western-run schools in China are better at persuading FT's to moonlight for ...
Re: Arriving at your school with a homeland medical -- Simon -- 20 March 2017
You can choose to evade the book of rules. Good luck, bro! An appropriate song for you, featuring Ziggy Marley and the Heptones - enjoy! Book Of Rules - The Heptones ...
Re: Arriving at your school with a homeland medical -- Alias Taffy -- 3 April 2017
You can choose to evade the book of rules. Good luck, bro! An appropriate song for you, featuring Ziggy Marley and the Heptones - enjoy! This was all about providing your own medical before you ...
Re: Arriving at your school with a homeland medical -- expat hubby -- 4 April 2017
Ziggy is Bob Marley's son. Ziggy sings that song very well imo. He's a very good singer and the song is a very good song.
Re: Arriving at your school with a homeland medical -- Former FT in China -- 21 October 2016
Having said that if one was to get a school registered under the wife's name, one could just organise(not teach) Western-run schools in China are better at persuading FT's to moonlight for ...
Re: Arriving at your school with a homeland medical -- Taffy -- 28 September 2016
You have chosen to advise FTs newly arrived in China with homeland medicals to agree to undergo second medicals in China. In contrast, I disagree with said advice. Just the way the cookie crumbles! ...
Re: Arriving at your school with a homeland medical -- Former FT in China -- 28 September 2016
You have chosen to advise FTs newly arrived in China with homeland medicals to agree to undergo second medicals in China. In contrast, I disagree with said advice. Just the way the cookie crumbles! ...
Re: Arriving at your school with a homeland medical -- Taffy -- 29 September 2016
I did not suggest that FTs refuse to undergo homeland medicals. I said 'if they took them, they should refuse to undergo second medicals in China if their homeland medicals were recently done. ...
Re: Arriving at your school with a homeland medical -- Former FT in China -- 29 September 2016
You might not have said they should refuse to undergo medicals in their own countries, but I hope I have made it abundantly clear that they should so refuse. They should refuse because when they ...
Re: Arriving at your school with a homeland medical -- Former FT in China -- 28 September 2016
You have chosen to advise FTs newly arrived in China with homeland medicals to agree to undergo second medicals in China. In contrast, I disagree with said advice. Just the way the cookie crumbles! ...

Foreign expert certificate FEC -- Part-time -- 12 July 2016
If a school / agent refuses to cancel your foreign expert certificate, what can you do?
Re: Foreign expert certificate FEC -- Proctor -- 15 September 2016
Hey dude! Rocket science is not required to solve your kind of problem. Get accepted for a new job by a public university in the same province. Move on and your new employer will sort everything out ...
Re: Foreign expert certificate FEC -- Turnoi Turjakuunnen -- 22 July 2016
There are several options: 1. Just don't care and leave. If you want to leave China, you will be OK as long as you haven't overstayed, you will not be asked to show your FEC by immigration at ...

Re: Scumbag schools -- Dr. Turnoi Turjakuunnen -- 1 March 2016
Singling out certain "schools" that are really bad is one thing and may help newbies to avoid them. In the end, it is only a temporary work-around. To make things really better, you have to ask the ...

Scumbag schools -- Paul Fox -- 18 February 2016
We are currently compiling a list of 'scumbag schools' in China The aim is to assist every ESL teacher from becoming yet another 'victim' Unscrupulous schools and corrupt bosses are ...
Re: Scumbag schools -- utd -- 21 May 2016
Name of school - Guangdong Country Garden School, Shunde, Foshan Type of abuse - Read the threads on this board, ISR School Reviews, International School Advisor. You decide.

Converting stay permit back to residence permit -- Jake -- 6 November 2015
I'm in Suzhou city. My previous school, because they are lowlife scum (long story), refuses to give me the documents I need to change to a new school (same city) until I cancel the residence ...
Re: Converting stay permit back to residence permit -- HappyGoLucky -- 13 January 2016
Hey Jake, Did you get this resolved? I am dealing with a "scumbag school" right now and the Foreign Experts Agency. I can't offer you advice, just moral support.

Blackmail and forgery laws, SAFEA penalties -- John -- 17 October 2015
See link below on the Discussion Forum

Question -- Anthony -- 19 August 2015
So I took a job in China, found the hours to be over the top (far more than I agreed to) My two days off a week have NEVER materialized, I routinely get put on a 7 day work schedule... I get told ...
Re: Question -- Silverboy -- 4 September 2015
You can apply for a job in Japan or Taiwan, you don't need to just rely on China. You will be better of working outside of China, China is the bottom of the barrel. There are plenty of ESL jobs, ...
Re: Question -- ROXYINCHINA -- 19 August 2015
I think you should post your Skype username. You need advice, and some of us who are willing to give it dislike typing! Even Dr Turnoi is on Skype. By Skyping you, he can give you his advice too! The ...
Re: Question -- Dr. Turnoi Turjakuunnen -- 27 August 2015
Some advice was given meanwhile. No problem!
Re: Question -- Tom -- 28 August 2015
You are so kind and helpful to Anthony. Maybe you and he have exchanged views on a totally unrelated subject on a forum that is not about teaching?
Re: Question -- Dr. Turnoi Turjakuunnen -- 30 August 2015
No. Never met or talked to Anthony before. And even if I had, it's none of your damn business, Mr. Wumao! Take a hike!
Re: Question -- Anthony -- 21 August 2015
little nervous about posting my skype here, there are other teachers at the school who check these boards, and I would rather this not get back to them. I am attaching an email, and I will reply to ...

Re: Shanghai changes rules -- San Migs -- 28 July 2015
Seems a bit fishy;what happens if prospective FT cannot secure work within the 30 days. I would suspect this is more aimed at investors/wealthy businessmen, and not poor prospective FT's like me. ...
Re: Shanghai changes rules -- John O'Shei -- 15 August 2015
Well, English teachers are ten a penny! What do you expect? Even if forced to be poor as hell in order to maintain that expensive, glamorous Shanghai lifestyle, it will always attract those young ...
Re: Shanghai changes rules -- ROXYINCHINA -- 16 August 2015
Graduating international students have already taken advantage of the new regulations, being able to get work visas without the required 2 years work experience that would otherwise be needed, by ...
Re: Shanghai changes rules -- San Migs -- 16 August 2015
wonder if they had the CRC to help them in the process?
Re: Shanghai changes rules -- San Migs -- 16 August 2015
Graduating international students have already taken advantage of the new regulations, being able to get work visas without the required 2 years work experience that would otherwise be needed, by ...

My former school wants me to do extra work. -- TeacherStephen -- 30 June 2015
Hello, to whom it may concern I have just finished a 9 month university contract and now back at home in America. I did everything that my head (Chinese) teacher told me to do when working the ...
Re: My former school wants me to do extra work. -- Former Educhina Employee -- 8 July 2015
Ignore him, or reply telling him to "F" off. Either way you're golden, even better would be to link his emails to his weixin or weibo account. That'd also be fun, extra points for Chinese ...
Re: My former school wants me to do extra work. -- Nova -- 12 July 2015
Do you have the contact information of anyone in the university's leadership? I might recommend reasoning with one of them. There are a number of possibilities for this situation: --The head ...
Re: My former school wants me to do extra work. -- The Truth Hurts! -- 15 July 2015
What the f*** has a former educhina employee got to do with that uni's business practices? Your advice is mis-directed, which I have to say, makes you a plonker! You should have addressed it to ...
Re: My former school wants me to do extra work. -- Former Educhina Employee -- 18 October 2015
Usually a good idea to identify a person's name as a name. Notice the text that you were being rather abusive in response to was a moniker, not the reply. One hopes that you read more, and use ...

Final Pay -- John -- 21 July 2014
So I know that most countries have to pay all dues once your contract is finished. Is that the same in China? If it is and your employer doesn't wish to pay until the next months pay day what can ...

Shit Hohhot Waiban -- foxy -- 6 July 2014
Went there a few days ago to RENEW my 1-year "Spousal" RP. I was MISINFORMED by a PSB counter lackey that I could get either a 1/2 year extension without the need for a 2nd medical (I had to take one ...
Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban -- Punisher -- 7 July 2014
The "shit" PSB counter clerk does not appear to be up-to-date with the current visa regulations. That's a common problem in China; at Chinese banks, for example, you may have similar problems. It ...
Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban -- Concerned+Teacher -- 10 July 2014
That's a common problem in China; at Chinese banks, for example, you may have similar problems. Banks in China are next to useless. When I worked in Oman, on presentation of my labour card, I was ...
Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban -- Turnoi, the Only One and Real Turnoi -- 11 July 2014
True. These idiots messed up my Western Union transfers that I sent to and received from overseas most of th time. F**ck China, its banks and useless bureaucracy, go somewhere else and don't ...
Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban -- foxy -- 7 July 2014
My wife and I have both been cautioned after extensive shouting matches with the PSB. LOL! I'm glad that they were given verbal insults, much warranted in my view. Off to the doc tomorrow despite ...
Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban -- yu2fa3 -- 24 January 2015
It's pretty usual that the Chinese version differs a great deal; in favour of the employer. And that's even for comparatively good employers. Now that(mine) was a standard posters reply of no ...
Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban -- foxy -- 24 January 2015
I'm not on about Chinese employers Sorry mate, I hsve to say you've misread the thread. Re-read it. It's the local Pubic Security who are the villains in the context of my post. ...
Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban -- yu2fa3 -- 25 January 2015
Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban By:foxy Date: 24 January 2015 In Response To: Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban (yu2fa3) I'm not on about Chinese employers Sorry mate, I hsve to say you've misread the thread. ...
Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban -- foxy -- 25 January 2015
No hard feelings, I hope. You know, it's rotten when Chinese employers issue contracts to foreigners to teach and the English version is not an accurate translation of the Chinese version, which ...
Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban -- San Migs -- 28 January 2015
What a piece of nomnsense insisting on foreigners eith Chinese spouses taking full medicals annually. If iy's about STDs a simple blood test is all that is required. I wouldn't object to ...
Re: Hohhot Waiban RP Policy Change -- foxy -- 10 April 2016
An update is necessary. If you have a Chinese relative with a Hohhot hukou, you can get a 6 month RP without having to take a medical. This also applies to renewals. If you opt for a 1 year RP, ...
Re: Hohhot Waiban RP Policy Change -- PhD teacher -- 7 May 2016
An update is necessary. If you have a Chinese relative with a Hohhot hukou, you can get a 6 month RP without having to take a medical. This also applies to renewals. If you opt for a 1 year RP, ...
Re: Hohhot Waiban RP Policy Change -- foxy -- 8 May 2016
Sorry, sooo sorry, I am a dithering semi-senile pensioner. I shall take your precious advice and fly back to Blighty tomorrow to get my automatic 5 year RP. I had always hoped the Chinese Immigration ...
Re: Hohhot Waiban RP Policy Change -- PhD teacher -- 8 May 2016
Sorry, sooo sorry, I am a dithering semi-senile pensioner. I shall take your precious advice and fly back to Blighty tomorrow to get my automatic 5 year RP. I had always hoped the Chinese Immigration ...
Re: Hohhot Waiban RP Policy Change -- foxy -- 8 May 2016
I didn't think for one moment that your post is rubbish. I was merely suggesting that the Chinese like you to take the Q1 visa route to your residence permit. And suggesting that direction allows ...
Re: Hohhot Waiban RP Policy Change -- PhD teacher -- 9 May 2016
I didn't think for one moment that your post is rubbish. I was merely suggesting that the Chinese like you to take the Q1 visa route to your residence permit. And suggesting that direction allows ...
Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban -- Silverboy -- 28 January 2015
It's all very racist IMO. Like I said in another post, the only way to know if everyone was STD free ( including Chinese themselves ) would be to test them every week, which is impractical, and ...
Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban -- Back to Basics -- 26 January 2015
Just to add that the rules in their Bible are in English not because their English is better than their Chinese, but to allow them to clarify the rules are being applied fairly to a foreigners who ...
Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban -- Concerned Teacher -- 10 July 2014
I have refused to take the x ray on the medical check many times, as I am of the view it is unnecessary. Chinese are blissfully ignorant of dangers to human health. Especially regarding their usage ...
Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban -- foxy -- 11 July 2014
The county police came here this morning to check my wife and I live here, and to check the flat's purchase contract, in case we told a lie. Wife out, downtown in Hohhot to collect my medical ...
Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban -- Concerned Teacher -- 11 July 2014
I'm retired, and not seeking a job! It's all a crock of shit! I agree it is a pile of shyte. They should have some foresight to provide retirement visas for foreigners with chinese wives as ...
Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban -- foxy -- 11 July 2014
Good luck foxy, hope you get this sorted, and yes stand up for yourself. I did even though it meant I lost my job and had to leave China, I will be back though, of that I'm sure, don't be ...
Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban -- Concerned Teacher -- 11 July 2014
The stupid bloody logic of it all is, they drive away blokes like us who actually like the women and the food, and the easy teaching hours. Then they grumble when they get neophytes who can't ...
Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban -- Turnoi, the Only One and Real Turnoi -- 11 July 2014
Forget and f***ck China! Have you ever thought of applying for a job in Korea or Taiwan. It does not only pay much better, it will also give you more legal security than in China. Why wasting you ...
Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban -- Concerned Teacher -- 11 July 2014
Dear Turnoi, I have applied to Taiwan, but unfortunately it seems 90 percent of the work is teaching kids which I don't want to do. I don't much like singing and dancing and running about ...

Chinese Residency Visa -- Kim Smith -- 24 June 2014
I am teaching English at a school in China. They have helped me obtain my residency permit. The school has become less then optimal to teach at (to say the least), however I still would like to stay ...
Re: Chinese Residency Visa -- Turnoi, the Only One and Real Turnoi -- 25 June 2014
Yes, what they can do is inform the PSB that you don't work any longer for them because your residence permit is tied to your current employer. But what you can do is not show up at the PSB so ...
Re: Chinese Residency Visa -- Anthony -- 19 August 2015
Is this true? I can just walk away from a bad school situation and go to another school? Don't I require a release letter or something from the school? (And what happens if they don't grant ...

Re: Western Cholera and pestilence in China -- Pot full of noodles -- 21 January 2014
Okay, I understand your point of view and what you dealt with. And every city is different from large to small. I also have my own private business outside of China so don't need to worry that ...

Re: Western Cholera and pestilence in China -- I Prefer Noodles -- 20 January 2014
A little confused... So now if you're married to a Chinese National, you can either get the S or Q visa? This is what the law states about the S: S1/S2 visas: S1 visas will be issued for purposes ...

Re: Western Cholera and pestilence in China -- I Prefer Noodles -- 19 January 2014
I disagree with Turnoi here on a common sense issue instead of "the" law. Sure, it's against the law to work on an S visa but it's an unrealistic one as most foreigners need some way of ...
Re: Western Cholera and pestilence in China -- San Migs -- 19 January 2014
A good post, but it is not always so cut and dried, esp not for single male FT's. I got down to Hk and was told I'd be able to get a 60 day tourist visa (it seems gone are the days of the 90 ...

Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- Silverboy -- 10 January 2014
Missed that post by "Kellog". FYI Mr Kellog, your [edited] Chinese wife should learn how to support herself, pure and simple!

Re: update -- San Migs -- 2 December 2013
Was this in China or in the UK respectfully?
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