Know Your Rights

Welcome! Please provide sources of accurate information that can be of value to teachers who are new to teaching abroad or who are having difficulties. We welcome information that shows employment rights, relevant rules and regulations in specific countries, success stories and strategies for redress with reference to specific laws or regulations that have worked (i.e. What did the teacher do to get justice? How did he get his airfare? Did he use or threaten to use a lawyer/embassy), scanned contracts that show the conditions that you do not like, etc. We encourage the use of direct quotes or website links to provide access to primary sources or links to competent organisations that could give advice.

Resources: Evaluating a Chinese Employment Contract  and  Why Raoul Duke Wants You To Avoid Recruiters by Raoul Duke.   Identify Illegitimate Chinese Recruiters,   Questions to Ask Before Accepting a Job Offer at a Chinese School  and  the China EFL Pre-Employment Checklist  by Gregory Mavrides, PhD.   US Embassy in Beijing's Teaching English in China.

Arriving at your school with a homeland medical -- Former FT in China -- 25 September 2016
If you have undertaken a medical exam in your homeland before entering China on a Z visa to teach, you have the right to refuse a second medical in China, provided that your homeland medical was ...
Re: Arriving at your school with a homeland medical -- Taffy -- 27 September 2016
If you have undertaken a medical exam in your homeland before entering China on a Z visa to teach, you have the right to refuse a second medical in China, provided that your homeland medical was ...
Re: Arriving at your school with a homeland medical -- Former FT in China -- 27 September 2016
If you have undertaken a medical exam in your homeland before entering China on a Z visa to teach, you have the right to refuse a second medical in China, provided that your homeland medical was ...
Re: Arriving at your school with a homeland medical -- Taffy -- 28 September 2016
Further to your reply to my post, I'll add that your reply does not answer my post directly. I did say 'if.........' I did not advise readers to undertake homeland medicals. Unlike you, ...
Re: Arriving at your school with a homeland medical -- Former FT in China -- 28 September 2016
You should advise newbie FT's to avoid getting bolshy as soon as they get to the company. Save getting stroppy until you really need to do so. Box clever, that's a good chap. You have chosen ...
Re: Arriving at your school with a homeland medical -- Davyhulme -- 17 October 2016
Indeed! Or to use my new found favourite saying: "When the cup is full, it's full!" and in the case of chinese and medicals and damned visas and their lies and costs, the cup is not only full, it ...
Re: Arriving at your school with a homeland medical -- Taffy -- 17 October 2016
Indeed! Or to use my new found favourite saying: "When the cup is full, it's full!" and in the case of chinese and medicals and damned visas and their lies and costs, the cup is not only full, it ...
Re: Arriving at your school with a homeland medical -- Former FT in China -- 19 October 2016
You should fast-track your Chinese visas by marrying a Chinese lady. Then you can work illegally. Yes, you can do both. The choice is yours. However, I wouldn't recommend working illegally in ...
Re: Arriving at your school with a homeland medical -- Taffy -- 20 October 2016
You should fast-track your Chinese visas by marrying a Chinese lady. Then you can work illegally. Yes, you can do both. The choice is yours. However, I wouldn't recommend working illegally in ...
Re: Arriving at your school with a homeland medical -- Former FT in China -- 20 October 2016
Having said that if one was to get a school registered under the wife's name, one could just organise(not teach) Western-run schools in China are better at persuading FT's to moonlight for ...
Re: Arriving at your school with a homeland medical -- Taffy -- 20 October 2016
Having said that if one was to get a school registered under the wife's name, one could just organise(not teach) Western-run schools in China are better at persuading FT's to moonlight for ...
Re: Arriving at your school with a homeland medical -- Former FT in China -- 21 October 2016
Having said that if one was to get a school registered under the wife's name, one could just organise(not teach) Western-run schools in China are better at persuading FT's to moonlight for ...
Re: Arriving at your school with a homeland medical -- Taffy -- 28 September 2016
You have chosen to advise FTs newly arrived in China with homeland medicals to agree to undergo second medicals in China. In contrast, I disagree with said advice. Just the way the cookie crumbles! ...
Re: Arriving at your school with a homeland medical -- Former FT in China -- 28 September 2016
You have chosen to advise FTs newly arrived in China with homeland medicals to agree to undergo second medicals in China. In contrast, I disagree with said advice. Just the way the cookie crumbles! ...
Re: Arriving at your school with a homeland medical -- Taffy -- 29 September 2016
I did not suggest that FTs refuse to undergo homeland medicals. I said 'if they took them, they should refuse to undergo second medicals in China if their homeland medicals were recently done. ...
Re: Arriving at your school with a homeland medical -- Former FT in China -- 29 September 2016
You might not have said they should refuse to undergo medicals in their own countries, but I hope I have made it abundantly clear that they should so refuse. They should refuse because when they ...
Re: Arriving at your school with a homeland medical -- Former FT in China -- 28 September 2016
You have chosen to advise FTs newly arrived in China with homeland medicals to agree to undergo second medicals in China. In contrast, I disagree with said advice. Just the way the cookie crumbles! ...

Foreign expert certificate FEC -- Part-time -- 12 July 2016
If a school / agent refuses to cancel your foreign expert certificate, what can you do?
Re: Foreign expert certificate FEC -- Proctor -- 15 September 2016
Hey dude! Rocket science is not required to solve your kind of problem. Get accepted for a new job by a public university in the same province. Move on and your new employer will sort everything out ...
Re: Foreign expert certificate FEC -- Turnoi Turjakuunnen -- 22 July 2016
There are several options: 1. Just don't care and leave. If you want to leave China, you will be OK as long as you haven't overstayed, you will not be asked to show your FEC by immigration at ...

Scumbag schools -- Paul Fox -- 18 February 2016
We are currently compiling a list of 'scumbag schools' in China The aim is to assist every ESL teacher from becoming yet another 'victim' Unscrupulous schools and corrupt bosses are ...
Re: Scumbag schools -- utd -- 21 May 2016
Name of school - Guangdong Country Garden School, Shunde, Foshan Type of abuse - Read the threads on this board, ISR School Reviews, International School Advisor. You decide.
Re: Scumbag schools -- BinderDundat -- 21 February 2016
Yes this does require some effort and wisdom because for many a very standard 'relatively good' school in China is for their experience the most shocking and offensive case of injustice in ...
Re: Scumbag schools -- Dr. Turnoi Turjakuunnen -- 1 March 2016
Singling out certain "schools" that are really bad is one thing and may help newbies to avoid them. In the end, it is only a temporary work-around. To make things really better, you have to ask the ...

Converting stay permit back to residence permit -- Jake -- 6 November 2015
I'm in Suzhou city. My previous school, because they are lowlife scum (long story), refuses to give me the documents I need to change to a new school (same city) until I cancel the residence ...
Re: Converting stay permit back to residence permit -- HappyGoLucky -- 13 January 2016
Hey Jake, Did you get this resolved? I am dealing with a "scumbag school" right now and the Foreign Experts Agency. I can't offer you advice, just moral support.

Blackmail and forgery laws, SAFEA penalties -- John -- 17 October 2015
See link below on the Discussion Forum

Question -- Anthony -- 19 August 2015
So I took a job in China, found the hours to be over the top (far more than I agreed to) My two days off a week have NEVER materialized, I routinely get put on a 7 day work schedule... I get told ...
Re: Question -- Silverboy -- 4 September 2015
You can apply for a job in Japan or Taiwan, you don't need to just rely on China. You will be better of working outside of China, China is the bottom of the barrel. There are plenty of ESL jobs, ...
Re: Question -- ROXYINCHINA -- 19 August 2015
I think you should post your Skype username. You need advice, and some of us who are willing to give it dislike typing! Even Dr Turnoi is on Skype. By Skyping you, he can give you his advice too! The ...
Re: Question -- Dr. Turnoi Turjakuunnen -- 27 August 2015
Some advice was given meanwhile. No problem!
Re: Question -- Tom -- 28 August 2015
You are so kind and helpful to Anthony. Maybe you and he have exchanged views on a totally unrelated subject on a forum that is not about teaching?
Re: Question -- Dr. Turnoi Turjakuunnen -- 30 August 2015
No. Never met or talked to Anthony before. And even if I had, it's none of your damn business, Mr. Wumao! Take a hike!
Re: Question -- Anthony -- 21 August 2015
little nervous about posting my skype here, there are other teachers at the school who check these boards, and I would rather this not get back to them. I am attaching an email, and I will reply to ...

Re: Shanghai changes rules -- San Migs -- 28 July 2015
Seems a bit fishy;what happens if prospective FT cannot secure work within the 30 days. I would suspect this is more aimed at investors/wealthy businessmen, and not poor prospective FT's like me. ...
Re: Shanghai changes rules -- John O'Shei -- 15 August 2015
Well, English teachers are ten a penny! What do you expect? Even if forced to be poor as hell in order to maintain that expensive, glamorous Shanghai lifestyle, it will always attract those young ...
Re: Shanghai changes rules -- ROXYINCHINA -- 16 August 2015
Graduating international students have already taken advantage of the new regulations, being able to get work visas without the required 2 years work experience that would otherwise be needed, by ...
Re: Shanghai changes rules -- San Migs -- 16 August 2015
wonder if they had the CRC to help them in the process?
Re: Shanghai changes rules -- San Migs -- 16 August 2015
Graduating international students have already taken advantage of the new regulations, being able to get work visas without the required 2 years work experience that would otherwise be needed, by ...

My former school wants me to do extra work. -- TeacherStephen -- 30 June 2015
Hello, to whom it may concern I have just finished a 9 month university contract and now back at home in America. I did everything that my head (Chinese) teacher told me to do when working the ...
Re: My former school wants me to do extra work. -- Former Educhina Employee -- 8 July 2015
Ignore him, or reply telling him to "F" off. Either way you're golden, even better would be to link his emails to his weixin or weibo account. That'd also be fun, extra points for Chinese ...
Re: My former school wants me to do extra work. -- Nova -- 12 July 2015
Do you have the contact information of anyone in the university's leadership? I might recommend reasoning with one of them. There are a number of possibilities for this situation: --The head ...
Re: My former school wants me to do extra work. -- The Truth Hurts! -- 15 July 2015
What the f*** has a former educhina employee got to do with that uni's business practices? Your advice is mis-directed, which I have to say, makes you a plonker! You should have addressed it to ...
Re: My former school wants me to do extra work. -- Former Educhina Employee -- 18 October 2015
Usually a good idea to identify a person's name as a name. Notice the text that you were being rather abusive in response to was a moniker, not the reply. One hopes that you read more, and use ...

Final Pay -- John -- 21 July 2014
So I know that most countries have to pay all dues once your contract is finished. Is that the same in China? If it is and your employer doesn't wish to pay until the next months pay day what can ...

Shit Hohhot Waiban -- foxy -- 6 July 2014
Went there a few days ago to RENEW my 1-year "Spousal" RP. I was MISINFORMED by a PSB counter lackey that I could get either a 1/2 year extension without the need for a 2nd medical (I had to take one ...
Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban -- Punisher -- 7 July 2014
The "shit" PSB counter clerk does not appear to be up-to-date with the current visa regulations. That's a common problem in China; at Chinese banks, for example, you may have similar problems. It ...
Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban -- Concerned+Teacher -- 10 July 2014
That's a common problem in China; at Chinese banks, for example, you may have similar problems. Banks in China are next to useless. When I worked in Oman, on presentation of my labour card, I was ...
Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban -- Turnoi, the Only One and Real Turnoi -- 11 July 2014
True. These idiots messed up my Western Union transfers that I sent to and received from overseas most of th time. F**ck China, its banks and useless bureaucracy, go somewhere else and don't ...
Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban -- foxy -- 7 July 2014
My wife and I have both been cautioned after extensive shouting matches with the PSB. LOL! I'm glad that they were given verbal insults, much warranted in my view. Off to the doc tomorrow despite ...
Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban -- yu2fa3 -- 24 January 2015
It's pretty usual that the Chinese version differs a great deal; in favour of the employer. And that's even for comparatively good employers. Now that(mine) was a standard posters reply of no ...
Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban -- foxy -- 24 January 2015
I'm not on about Chinese employers Sorry mate, I hsve to say you've misread the thread. Re-read it. It's the local Pubic Security who are the villains in the context of my post. ...
Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban -- yu2fa3 -- 25 January 2015
Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban By:foxy Date: 24 January 2015 In Response To: Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban (yu2fa3) I'm not on about Chinese employers Sorry mate, I hsve to say you've misread the thread. ...
Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban -- foxy -- 25 January 2015
No hard feelings, I hope. You know, it's rotten when Chinese employers issue contracts to foreigners to teach and the English version is not an accurate translation of the Chinese version, which ...
Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban -- San Migs -- 28 January 2015
What a piece of nomnsense insisting on foreigners eith Chinese spouses taking full medicals annually. If iy's about STDs a simple blood test is all that is required. I wouldn't object to ...
Re: Hohhot Waiban RP Policy Change -- foxy -- 10 April 2016
An update is necessary. If you have a Chinese relative with a Hohhot hukou, you can get a 6 month RP without having to take a medical. This also applies to renewals. If you opt for a 1 year RP, ...
Re: Hohhot Waiban RP Policy Change -- PhD teacher -- 7 May 2016
An update is necessary. If you have a Chinese relative with a Hohhot hukou, you can get a 6 month RP without having to take a medical. This also applies to renewals. If you opt for a 1 year RP, ...
Re: Hohhot Waiban RP Policy Change -- foxy -- 8 May 2016
Sorry, sooo sorry, I am a dithering semi-senile pensioner. I shall take your precious advice and fly back to Blighty tomorrow to get my automatic 5 year RP. I had always hoped the Chinese Immigration ...
Re: Hohhot Waiban RP Policy Change -- PhD teacher -- 8 May 2016
Sorry, sooo sorry, I am a dithering semi-senile pensioner. I shall take your precious advice and fly back to Blighty tomorrow to get my automatic 5 year RP. I had always hoped the Chinese Immigration ...
Re: Hohhot Waiban RP Policy Change -- foxy -- 8 May 2016
I didn't think for one moment that your post is rubbish. I was merely suggesting that the Chinese like you to take the Q1 visa route to your residence permit. And suggesting that direction allows ...
Re: Hohhot Waiban RP Policy Change -- PhD teacher -- 9 May 2016
I didn't think for one moment that your post is rubbish. I was merely suggesting that the Chinese like you to take the Q1 visa route to your residence permit. And suggesting that direction allows ...
Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban -- Silverboy -- 28 January 2015
It's all very racist IMO. Like I said in another post, the only way to know if everyone was STD free ( including Chinese themselves ) would be to test them every week, which is impractical, and ...
Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban -- Back to Basics -- 26 January 2015
Just to add that the rules in their Bible are in English not because their English is better than their Chinese, but to allow them to clarify the rules are being applied fairly to a foreigners who ...
Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban -- Concerned Teacher -- 10 July 2014
I have refused to take the x ray on the medical check many times, as I am of the view it is unnecessary. Chinese are blissfully ignorant of dangers to human health. Especially regarding their usage ...
Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban -- foxy -- 11 July 2014
The county police came here this morning to check my wife and I live here, and to check the flat's purchase contract, in case we told a lie. Wife out, downtown in Hohhot to collect my medical ...
Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban -- Concerned Teacher -- 11 July 2014
I'm retired, and not seeking a job! It's all a crock of shit! I agree it is a pile of shyte. They should have some foresight to provide retirement visas for foreigners with chinese wives as ...
Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban -- foxy -- 11 July 2014
Good luck foxy, hope you get this sorted, and yes stand up for yourself. I did even though it meant I lost my job and had to leave China, I will be back though, of that I'm sure, don't be ...
Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban -- Concerned Teacher -- 11 July 2014
The stupid bloody logic of it all is, they drive away blokes like us who actually like the women and the food, and the easy teaching hours. Then they grumble when they get neophytes who can't ...
Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban -- Turnoi, the Only One and Real Turnoi -- 11 July 2014
Forget and f***ck China! Have you ever thought of applying for a job in Korea or Taiwan. It does not only pay much better, it will also give you more legal security than in China. Why wasting you ...
Re: Shit Hohhot Waiban -- Concerned Teacher -- 11 July 2014
Dear Turnoi, I have applied to Taiwan, but unfortunately it seems 90 percent of the work is teaching kids which I don't want to do. I don't much like singing and dancing and running about ...

Chinese Residency Visa -- Kim Smith -- 24 June 2014
I am teaching English at a school in China. They have helped me obtain my residency permit. The school has become less then optimal to teach at (to say the least), however I still would like to stay ...
Re: Chinese Residency Visa -- Turnoi, the Only One and Real Turnoi -- 25 June 2014
Yes, what they can do is inform the PSB that you don't work any longer for them because your residence permit is tied to your current employer. But what you can do is not show up at the PSB so ...
Re: Chinese Residency Visa -- Anthony -- 19 August 2015
Is this true? I can just walk away from a bad school situation and go to another school? Don't I require a release letter or something from the school? (And what happens if they don't grant ...

Re: Western Cholera and pestilence in China -- Pot full of noodles -- 21 January 2014
Okay, I understand your point of view and what you dealt with. And every city is different from large to small. I also have my own private business outside of China so don't need to worry that ...

Re: Western Cholera and pestilence in China -- I Prefer Noodles -- 20 January 2014
A little confused... So now if you're married to a Chinese National, you can either get the S or Q visa? This is what the law states about the S: S1/S2 visas: S1 visas will be issued for purposes ...

Re: update -- San Migs -- 2 December 2013
Was this in China or in the UK respectfully?

Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- San Migs -- 23 August 2013
All I can confirm is that in my case with a cancelled Z visa ( several years ago), and with the latest residence permit that expired mid-August and no longer teaching, I was told Hong Kong was not an ...
Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- J H Kellogg -- 14 September 2013
I agree with all you said, however I am a stylish cross dresser and my "top" concerns are will it be a problem getting a visa?
Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- Turnoi, the Only One and Real Turnoi -- 14 September 2013
Visa policies exist to keep less desirable foreigners out of the country. [edited] will it be a problem getting a visa
Re: Sichuan province rules re: Medical Checks -- Boris -- 15 September 2013
Sichuan province have new rules. They do not recognize any Medical Check - other than one done in Chengdu (South). All foreigners are required to get a medical check in Chengdu regardless of where ...
Re: Sichuan province rules re: Medical Checks -- San Migs -- 21 October 2013
So sichuan province is easier than Nanjing? I am in Nanjing (Jiangsu) now and am being TOLD I need a Foreign Experts Certificate from my last teaching job (which I don't have!!!!) before I can ...
Re: Sichuan province rules re: Medical Checks -- Turnoi, the Only One and Real Turnoi -- 27 October 2013
Can't figure out if it is foreign affairs being fussy, or the FAO telling me a load of crap. If the problem still persists, you should perhaps contact the local Bureau of Foreign Experts to find ...
Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- Happy as Larry -- 27 August 2013
I am a US Citizen. I had not issues with the embassy in HK. Next day service WAS an option for me AND I took it AND I was going for a Z-Visa. If you go to the embassy on Friday, I can almost ...
Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- J H Kellogg -- 30 August 2013
Next day service WAS an option for me AND I took it AND I was going for a Z-Visa. Thanks, but would that be APPLICABLE to UK nationals?
Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- Taurus -- 29 August 2013
You sound like you know your stuff, thanks for the advice. Do you happen to know how much a hotel is per night in HK, and do you have any suggestions where to stay, please? Do the hotels offer a visa ...
Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- Turnoi, the Only One and Real Turnoi -- 29 August 2013
I did a Hongkong run myself last year and had a room in a small hotel with visa service. Paid about 180 HK$ per night (for 3 days). For visa with visa agency fee you will have to calculate up to 900 ...
Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- San Migs -- 29 August 2013
I always stay at cosmic guesthouse could be 150-180 a night, but it is clean and with fast wifi. They can also assist with visas, like many of the guesthouses can. Passing through shenzhen is a ...
Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- Turnoi, the Only One and Real Turnoi -- 30 August 2013
Fortunately, I don't need to waste my money on things like that anymore. I have been able to obtain another 5-year resident visa (residence permit) for Kenya, and after this period, with a record ...
Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- Taurus -- 30 August 2013
I'm sorry about that, San Migs, we seem to have went off of topic with waffle about Africa. What about getting an f visa in Hong Kong now, do you know if that's at all possible? I am thinking ...
Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- Turnoi, the Only One and Real Turnoi -- 30 August 2013
I could I believe get a spouses L visa, and work unofficially I suppose. You are doing an illegal thing if you did. Hopefully, Chinese immigration gets you and deports you immediately! Unbelievable! ...
Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- JH Kellogg -- 30 August 2013
You are doing an illegal thing if you did. Actually a lot do that. Even operate businesses. How is supporting your wife in China an illegal thing? [edited]
Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- Silverboy -- 10 January 2014
Missed that post by "Kellog". FYI Mr Kellog, your [edited] Chinese wife should learn how to support herself, pure and simple!
Western Cholera and pestilence in China -- Turnoi, the Only One and Real Turnoi -- 31 August 2013
Supporting a wife is a must and is not illegal. Working on an L or other than a Z visa is illegal, and there is no excuse for not respecting and following Chinese law. It is always amazing to see ...
Re: Western Cholera and pestilence in China -- I Prefer Noodles -- 19 January 2014
I disagree with Turnoi here on a common sense issue instead of "the" law. Sure, it's against the law to work on an S visa but it's an unrealistic one as most foreigners need some way of ...
Re: Western Cholera and pestilence in China -- San Migs -- 19 January 2014
A good post, but it is not always so cut and dried, esp not for single male FT's. I got down to Hk and was told I'd be able to get a 60 day tourist visa (it seems gone are the days of the 90 ...
Re: Western Cholera and pestilence in China -- John O'Shei -- 12 September 2013
His other alias said that his wife has got permanent residence in the UK, when I took the piss out of him for believing everything that his visa seeking pet slag would say to reassure him. Now ...
Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- foxy -- 31 August 2013
Hopefully, Chinese immigration gets you and deports you immediately! In contrast, I shall pray for Taurus. Good luck to him (or her). Unlike you, I do not wish to see any expat being taken to the ...
Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- Turnoi, the Only One and Real Turnoi -- 31 August 2013
I think it's clear that if you want to be a decent person yourself you should not associate with the other people not holding to the same standards as yourself. Being guilty by wrong association ...
Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- John O'Shei -- 12 September 2013
People often to forget that there are bad foreigners out there too.
Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- Turnoi, the Only One and Real Turnoi -- 12 September 2013
You say it, and we have seen some of them posting here recently! People often to forget that there are bad foreigners out there too.
Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- San Migs -- 31 August 2013
Unlike you, I do not wish to see any expat being taken to the cleaners by the Chinese immigration authorities. Well said Foxy! Give that man beer and a CIGAR! Whatever happened to FT's sticking ...
@San Migs poster -- Turnoi, the Only One and Real Turnoi -- 31 August 2013
Let me make some things very clear on here: 1. To go together against cheating waibans, companies and crappy training centres in China is a good thing and should be like that if there is a chance. ...
Re: @San Migs poster -- San Migs -- 31 August 2013
Fair enough, I will ease off for a while. It has just been a trying personal time, and we all need to vent now and again. I am sure silverboy still agrees with me about materialistic women from the ...
Noob in China on L visa -- foxy -- 3 September 2013
It seems that Jiangsu will let you do the HK Visa Run. Good news indeed! There must be other provinces equally as accommodating.
Re: Noob in China on L visa -- San Migs -- 3 September 2013
Thanks for this info foxy. This is the kind of caring and sharing attitude I was looking for. It is a shame so many other FT's are self serving and only look out for number 1. I recently met an ...
Re: Noob in China on L visa -- Turnoi, the Only One and Real Turnoi -- 7 September 2013
A self-serving expat in China is not necessarily a grovelling, snivelling person unless he/she is licking the employer's feet. Another advice: Do not rely on any third party regarding info on the ...
Re: Noob in China on L visa -- San Migs -- 7 September 2013
Thanks for this advice, but beijing has changed their policy. Will see how it goes, good luck!
Re: @San Migs poster -- Turnoi, the Only One and Real Turnoi -- 1 September 2013
I am not the person to deny that you have had such experiences, and I am not the person to deny that there are such women. And sometimes there are such men as well looking for rich foreign women. The ...
Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- Turnoi, the Only One and Real Turnoi -- 31 August 2013
You have to wipe out everything that stinks to heaven, and zero tolerance for that! The same for Western pedophiles or other low-life Western folks in China that rightly do not deserve any respect ...
Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- Taurus -- 30 August 2013
Many thanks, that Cosmic place doesn't look half bad, San Migs.
Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- Turnoi, the Only One and Real Turnoi -- 24 August 2013
I have "experienced" their KLM seats in economy class on a flight from Amsterdam Schiphol airport to Johannesburg in South Africa via Nairobi in the beginnings of the 1990s. Terrible and ...

Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- San Migs -- 21 August 2013
However, I was left with little choice but to return to the UK and reapply for a new and different visa. So I am in the UK now and will use the time to sort out all my affairs including a new ...

Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- ftb -- 15 August 2013
Reporting Requirements for Employers and Schools: Work units that employ foreigners or recruit overseas students must report relevant information to local public security organs in accordance with ...
Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- San Migs -- 16 August 2013
the time has come where China is no longer a haven for misfits who stumbled into a teaching opportunity. Well, at least in Beijing anyway - or so it appears This is the problem, at least in Beijing, ...

Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- yang guang -- 11 August 2013
Do these new changes mean that my employer will cancel my residency status when my contract ends? I have received an email from my employer suggesting that this is the case, and I was told previously ...
Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- Turnoi, the Only One and Real Turnoi -- 12 August 2013
Do they give a period for one to exit the country? They normally would always give you a "grace" period to exit the country. To be sure, you should ask them what the period would be in your case ...
Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- yang guang -- 14 August 2013
Thanks for the advice :)
Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- San Migs -- 11 August 2013
Your post is suspicious, esp as you use a chinese name. I will not respond, as I smell a rat here.

Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- foxy -- 9 August 2013
-------- Forwarding messages -------- From: dianfengyy dianfengyy@163.com> Date: 2013-08-09 13:21:38 To: Subject: CL trble w' PSB If u like, u can send CL my e-mail address. In fact, e-mail him ...

Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- San Migs -- 9 August 2013
Hong Kong should be doable, but not for guangdong province. Not fishing for info on your province btw, but it seems it is still based on province. Hebei also needs one to return home, as does ...

Re: Renewing a British Passport in China -- Davyhulme Sewage Worker -- 31 July 2013
I've tried to make the passport stuff less confusing by doing the background work and posting here. Fair enough, and no blame to you personally. Just these matters are stressful and taxing to ...

Re: Renewing a British Passport in China -- Davyhulme Sewage Worker -- 30 July 2013
I understand that the main change for expats abroad is that they will no longer have the option of renewing via their consulate, (either in person or by post) in the country where they reside or ...

Re: Renewing a British Passport in China -- San Migs -- 30 July 2013
What are the changes in 2014 please? And yes getting the 48 page one is a good idea. On that note, HK immigration don't stamp your passport pages now, but instead attach a little slip of paper ...
Re: Renewing a British Passport in China -- John O'Shei -- 12 September 2013
Just renew it now, by posting the details to HK, save yourself the bother before the rule change kicks in.

Re: Renewing a British Passport in China -- foxy -- 30 July 2013
Thx for your contribution.

Re: Renewing a British Passport in China -- Davyhulme Sewage Worker -- 28 July 2013
I did it by post using fedex I think, it was sent back promptly too, much sooner than expected.

Re: Renewing a British Passport in China -- foxy -- 28 July 2013
Not sure about the definition of "temporary" but 'emergency' passports (passport lost or stolen) to allow a return home can still be issued. I have one, which says temporary on the cover. I ...
Re: Renewing a British Passport in China -- The Commander -- 29 July 2013
Foxy, why didn't you get a new passport in China instead of traveling to Outer Mongolia to get it done? And why didn't you get a full biometric one there?
Re: Renewing a British Passport in China -- San Migs -- 29 July 2013
Full biometric ones can only be delivered by couriered post from Hong kong now. http://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntree/thread.jspa?threadID=2266043 the british embassy website, also has that url, can ...
Re: Renewing a British Passport in China -- foxy -- 29 July 2013
Thanks for your interst, Commander! It's a long story. However, I'll supply the bare essentials: 1) Applied for F visa in a province. Application rejected, instead given 10 day * visa ...

Re: Renewing a British Passport in China -- Davyhulme Sewage Worker -- 28 July 2013
Yes you need to do it by post or in person from HK,it was a stressful fay for me, and so good luck.
Re: Renewing a British Passport in China -- foxy -- 28 July 2013
What about obtaining a temporary (1 year non-bio one)? I wonder whether that can still be done in Peking. Later you can get an ordinary passport while back in Blighty for a vacation.

Re: Chinese Government announces new immigration laws -- Danny -- 18 July 2013
The best link is here. http://fejiangmen.ning.com/page/1750079:Page:3565

Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- withheld -- 14 July 2013
you're welcome.

Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- Beelzebub -- 13 July 2013
It may be that your local PSB were being over-zealous, but the idea that your wife could take the medical instead of you seems absurd and a strange interpretation of the rules. When I read ...
Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- foxy -- 13 July 2013
I like China but I wouldn't be able to put up with all the argy-bargy entailed with visas , medicals and residence permits required to live in the country permanently like you( Cunning Linguist) ...
Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- Davyhulme Sewage Tank Worker -- 15 July 2013
What I find very surprising is that Guangdong expats are indeed a motley crew. I had known for a long time that public security in that province was poor. I had presumed that was because of Chinese ...
Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- foxy -- 15 July 2013
Thanks for your input. BTW, yesterday at the PSB (much too palatial in my view) visa hall, there was more argy-bargy between two counter clerkesses and me re my house contract this time. I had been ...
Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- Davyhulme Sewage Tank Worker -- 15 July 2013
Good luck dealing with all those rude people, and I hope you get sorted, by god it is a lot of stress!
Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- foxy -- 15 July 2013
No stress for me!
Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- Davyhulme Sewage Tank Worker -- 16 July 2013
Fair enough but with due respect it is a lot of stress for those unmarried FT's, is it not?
Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- foxy -- 16 July 2013
Fair enough but with due respect it is a lot of stress for those unmarried FT's, is it not? Absolutely - I couldn't agree with you more, good sir!
Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- Beelzebub -- 14 July 2013
As for the argy-bargy you have mentioned, that pales into insignificance when I think of all the good things that have happened to me because of living in China. Well, I'd be foolish to argue ...

Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- foxy -- 12 July 2013
It may be that your local PSB were being over-zealous, but the idea that your wife could take the medical instead of you seems absurd and a strange interpretation of the rules. About my wife doing ...

Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- foxy -- 12 July 2013
There's been more aggravation between the PSB and me at the visa hall than I've mentioned. I'd take too long to type it all! If you want to know the whole story, you can skype me on ...

Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- San Migs -- 11 July 2013
Detention centres? You can bet [edited] there will be an outflow now!

Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- withheld -- 11 July 2013
The information below is from KPMG: ...

Re: China:New entry and exit administrative law -- foxy -- 11 July 2013
On the issue of medicals, Foxy please note: “Medical reports would be required for foreign nationals who are at least 16 years old and applying for the first time for residence permits of one year ...

Counter-Measures -- foxy -- 22 January 2013
http://raoulschinasaloon.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=5ba1997f912f2f9d60521a26fd1806f7&topic=8125.msg148556#new In the light of the above, my advice to anyone in the PRC seeking a local L visa renewal is ...
Re: Counter-Measures -- Sainthood -- 13 February 2013
As a result, you';ll be carrying a passport with an expired visa for a while, but you'll have a receipt to return to get your new visa. Technically, no you won't.. because the PSB will ...
Re: Counter-Measures -- foxy -- 13 February 2013
Technically, no you won't.. because the PSB will have your passport, and the visa will be extended until such time as you get your passport back (plus a few days to get out of the country if they ...
Re: Counter-Measures -- Visa know it all -- 29 March 2013
So, it pays to arrive on the last day your current visa is valid Cutting it a tad fine, don't you think?
Re: Counter-Measures -- foxy -- 29 March 2013
Not in my case as I'm a half-hour bus ride from the local PSB office.
Re: Counter-Measures -- Martin -- 29 June 2013
http://www.theworldofchinese.com/2013/06/foreigners-will-need-a-non-criminal-record-certificate-to-work-in-beijing/
Chinese Government announce new immigration laws -- Confuseius -- 30 June 2013
https://www.gov.uk/government/world-location-news/chinese-government-announce-new-immigration-laws
How "final" is this final draft? -- laughable -- 26 July 2013
Final draft, of course subject to amendments without prior notice - they reserve the spite to alter.........! Click it. ...
Re: Chinese Government announce new immigration laws -- Expatriot in Dongbei -- 2 July 2013
My local PSB office has declined acceptance of my visa application of the 2nd of July despite all my paperwork being in order. I was informed politely that there is a problem on account of the new ...
Re: Chinese Government announces new immigration laws -- foxy -- 2 July 2013
Yep, expat in Dongbei - you're quite right not to worry. I post in reply to reassure others who might worry if they've had the same experience recently from July 1. And snap, I've had the ...
Re:This Defies Logic! -- foxy update -- 8 July 2013
I can't go into too much detail at the moment, except to say that by the time you see this post I'll have overstayed my present L visa. The PSB once again declined to process my request for a ...
Re: Chinese Government announces new immigration laws -- foxy further, further update -- 8 July 2013
My Chinese wife is too subserviant - pity for her! Anyways, the IM Waiban don't know the full story about me - I've been longer here (or not!!) than they know, I guess they didn't do ...
Re: Chinese Government announces new immigration laws -- foxy -- 9 July 2013
Inner Mongolia PSB is the lowest of lowlife! Don't get involved with them! They're avaracious scallywags. They've been trying to get me into serious trouble, but it won't work.
Re: RP in the pipeline! -- foxy -- 11 July 2013
They've been trying to get me into serious trouble, but it won't work. In fact, it hasn't, LOL! This morning, they had long faces when I entered the visa hall. I had the receipt from the ...
Re: RP in the pipeline! -- Davyhulme Sewage Tank Worker -- 15 July 2013
There's also a privacy issue with this. Why should THEY get to view my med results? None of their goddam business. I hate that too, but they don't view it as this. They think it's not a ...
Re: RP in the pipeline! -- foxy -- 15 July 2013
But I'm not looking for employment! I have a Chinese wife and they'd never dare to expel me coz of any illnesses I have. This is an example of uncaring legislators who are obviously ...
Re: RP in the pipeline! -- Davyhulme Sewage Tank Worker -- 16 July 2013
I know you are not looking for employment, but unfortunately they do insist on the medical for it, and as you say one year L or F's are not an option now. It is affecting some married blokes I ...
Re: RP in the pipeline! -- foxy -- 3 August 2013
I got my 'spousal' RP from the visa office in Hohhot Friday last. It's in the form of a sticker occupying one of the previously unused visa pages of my passport. I still think it's a ...
Re: RP in the pipeline! -- Davyhulme Sewage Tank Cleaner -- 3 August 2013
Sorry to hear about the rudeness of the psb, suppose they vary in surliness from branch to branch. I do believe in Shanghai 2 year rp's are available, but not much use to you in the wilds of ...
Re: RP in the pipeline! -- foxy -- 3 August 2013
Point is, did that 'older bloke' have Chinese relatives, in particular, a CHINESE wife. I think they DAREN'T reject my application on medical grounds as I've a Chinese wife. Basic ...
Re: RP in the pipeline! -- Davyhulme Settlement Tank Cleaner -- 4 August 2013
Point is, did that 'older bloke' have Chinese relatives, in particular, a CHINESE wife. I think they DAREN'T reject my application on medical grounds as I've a Chinese wife. Basic ...
Re: RP in the pipeline! -- Beelzebub -- 7 August 2013
No, he PROBABLY did not have a CHINESE WIFE, but I can't see it personally being one RULE for SOME and ANOTHER for OTHERS? There's a lot in what you say Settlement Tank Cleaner. If you fail ...
Re: RP in the pipeline! -- foxy -- 7 August 2013
No, he PROBABLY did not have a CHINESE WIFE, but I can't see it personally being one RULE for SOME and ANOTHER for OTHERS? I can see it, but you can't. That doesn't surprise me in your ...
Re: RP in the pipeline! -- Julie -- 9 August 2013
Foxy is very much on the ball! If you are legally married to a Chinese citizen, you can get permission to reside in China by virtue of your marital status. Historically, that has come in the form of ...
Re: RP in the pipeline! -- Davyhulme Settlement Tank Cleaner -- 9 August 2013
If you are legally married to a Chinese citizen, you can get permission to reside in China by virtue of your marital status. Historically, that has come in the form of an L Visa, but now they are ...
Re: RP in the pipeline! -- San Migs -- 9 August 2013
Fair enough, but without rule of law, what then?
Re: RP in the pipeline! -- foxy -- 16 July 2013
I know you are not looking for employment, but unfortunately they do insist on the medical for it, and as you say one year L or F's are not an option now. It is affecting some married blokes I ...
Re: RP in the pipeline! -- Turnoi, the Only One and Real Turnoi -- 23 July 2013
Won't be any problem for anyone of my nationality. I could apply for a criminal check record at my Embassy, pay a fee and get it 4-6 weeks later from my country of origin in Europe via my ...
Re: RP in the pipeline! -- San Migs -- 23 July 2013
I could apply for a criminal check record at my Embassy, pay a fee and get it 4-6 weeks later from my country of origin in Europe via my Embassy. All other nationalities - check with your Embassy for ...
Re: RP in the pipeline! -- Turnoi, the Only One and Real Turnoi -- 25 July 2013
That's a pity. All countries in the European Union including the UK should have such a service for their citizens. Not true for the UK sadly turnoi, I checked a long time ago, you can't even ...
Re: RP's and rules -- Davyhulme Sewage Tank Worker -- 16 July 2013
I meant to say they don't care if you are looking for employment or not-they just don't care, if you want the 1 year RP it is a requirement. We cannot control or change the laws here. Hence ...
Re: RP in the pipeline! -- Davyhulme Sewage Tank Worker -- 16 July 2013
This is an example of uncaring legislators who are obviously brain-dead based in Beijing! You are dead right here, and that is why complaints from foreigners will fall on deaf ears. They view it as ...
Re: RP in the pipeline! -- foxy -- 16 July 2013
Thanks for your good wishes. I'm wondering why I've had more than the usual BS to put up with at the visa hall this time round. It could be that they suspect me of teaching illegally at the ...
Re: Chinese Government announces new immigration laws -- anonymous -- 9 July 2013
I won't name my source, but I've been told that foreign teachers caught working for employers who haven't arranged their work permits and resident permits will be in big trouble. Heavy ...
Re: Chinese Government announces new immigration laws -- Charity Mercado -- 11 July 2013
Yes... true. Advising all foreigners not to go with any recruiters in China that lures you saying come over in F visa or L visa... specially this Illegal recruiter name: Lydia 13688888705 ...
Re: Counter-Measures -- Mancunian -- 22 January 2013
http://raoulschinasaloon.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=5ba1997f912f2f9d60521a26fd1806f7&topic=8125.msg148556#new In the light of the above, my advice to anyone in the PRC seeking a local L visa renewal is ...
Re: inquiry.. the tawfiq gov't school.. -- ruben l. paragas -- 27 February 2013
how true to receive $4,800 a month salary with free housing and food allowances? is tawfiq school existing? is this school really open for hiring?
Re: inquiry.. the tawfiq gov't school.. -- Turnoi -- 1 March 2013
how true to receive $4,800 a month salary with free housing and food allowances? is tawfiq school existing? is this school really open for hiring? I think you can forget that Tawfiq something. If ...
Re: Counter-Measures -- "The People's Republic of Wigan" -- 30 January 2013
http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2012/01/04/144636898/a-man-a-van-a-surprising-business-plan
Re: Counter-Measures -- foxy -- 1 February 2013
Thanks for providing the link. I'm happy to learn that those American entrepreneurs are cashing in on the extensive and unnecessary red tape of Chinese beaurocracy imposed on New Yorkers wishing ...
Re: Counter-Measures -- San Migs -- 2 February 2013
Wigan is next door to Bolton. I know this place well. They do like their pies and woe betide any man who wears a warrington wolves rugby shirt there.
Re: Counter-Measures -- foxy -- 22 January 2013
The trouble is ,Foxy, is that the poster who started this thread, just dropped a couple of turds, by way of two or three-liner posts, and has said nothing since; so I rather think we are advising ...
1 2


International TEFL Certificate Courses


Go to another board -